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	<title>Comments on: Q&amp;A : U.S. Congressman Dave Camp On Asian Carp</title>
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the politics are clouding the idea that fences will work.. We really need to invest in processing plants. (creating jobs) Find uses for them.. some ideas is using the Omega 3 fish oils, cat and dog food, ground up fertilizer being used with some farmers now. cattle food. also research there is need for them overseas in china one for fish head soups and they smoke them saying better than salmon. these are just a few ideas we could invest in to create many need jobs in the economy today. Need to get your own agendas off the table and think clear about this. Fishermen can fish. Barges can haul, processing plants will hire and expand. almost endless. Creating a market is key to help bring the high counts of fish down. I they are not fished they WILL continue to populate. Common knowledge..Do something to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the politics are clouding the idea that fences will work.. We really need to invest in processing plants. (creating jobs) Find uses for them.. some ideas is using the Omega 3 fish oils, cat and dog food, ground up fertilizer being used with some farmers now. cattle food. also research there is need for them overseas in china one for fish head soups and they smoke them saying better than salmon. these are just a few ideas we could invest in to create many need jobs in the economy today. Need to get your own agendas off the table and think clear about this. Fishermen can fish. Barges can haul, processing plants will hire and expand. almost endless. Creating a market is key to help bring the high counts of fish down. I they are not fished they WILL continue to populate. Common knowledge..Do something to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.circleofblue.org/waternews/2010/world/qa-u-s-congressman-dave-camp-chats-about-asian-carp/comment-page-1/#comment-10872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks,

EPA states and asks: 
“Excess nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorous entering the nations waters create pollution that is hard to track, contain, and control. Nutrient pollution is as damaging to our waters as it is complex, so finding effective ways to address it is critical. EPA and State agencies have used various approaches to tackle the problem but much more is needed to protect water bodies from these pollutants.
•    What critical elements need to be included in an effective nutrient strategy?
•    How should the strategies differ for protecting healthy and functioning watersheds versus those that need to be significantly restored due to previous pollution?
•    What has worked for your organization, state, or tribe in controlling nutrient pollution? What hasn’t?”
Response: 
The great mid-American River system is the cesspool for thousands of cities, industries and farms.  Many of the pollutants include soils which have been “washed” with industrial agricultural chemicals (non-point pollution) which when the soil is eroded, move to the rivers.  These pollutants then grow algae and other micro-organisms, some of which create dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico.

Fortunately, carp (and other critters) feed on these micro-organisms, thus reducing some of the pollution.  However, the native fish population pays the price because of the disruption of their food chain.  Studies now estimate that Asian carp (mostly Bighead and Silver) make up 95% of the fish biomass in most of these rivers.  The Asian carp population has exploded over the past few years and now threaten the seven billion dollar fishing industry of the Great Lakes.  See:  Asian Carps of the Genus Hypophthalmichthys (Pisces, Cyprinidae) ? A Biological Synopsis and Environmental Risk Assessment; http://www.fws.gov/contaminants/OtherDocuments/ACBSRAFinalReport2005.pdf ; Also see the Youtube documentaries: Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7zkTnQVaM&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=DB08107B501DF1D8&amp;playnext=1&amp;playnext_from=PL&amp;index=47; Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChwJiKKBdA&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=DB08107B501DF1D8&amp;playnext=1&amp;playnext_from=PL&amp;index=48 

Would a compromise work?  First by reducing the Asian carp population by removing the breeders and secondly, by managing the carp population so as to allow native fish to recover.  That way we allow the Asian carp to continue cleaning nutrients from the rivers and re-establish the native fish.  It seems highly improbable to totally remove all Asian carp.  There are additional benefits, namely the beneficial use of the harvested carp.

The ACBSR final report concluded that the physical removal of the carp was the best working solution.  Mention was made of training vast numbers of fisher folk on how to catch carp.  Bait and hook does not work since the carp are filter feeders.  Only purse (or hoop) nets seem to work for skiff quantities.  What is needed is a commercial approach to harvesting carp.

Carp Catchers Cooperative has such a plan (on digital record).  See: Carp Catchers Co-op, http://carpcatchersco-op.wetpaint.com/page/BUSINESS+PLAN+--+A+BRIDGE+OVER+TROUBLED+WATERS

Carp Catchers Cooperative will be formed as a social entrepreneurial enterprise (L3C – Limited Liability Company), will build a fleet of three ships which will be able to harvest and process two tons of fish per hour.  Currently, we have completed our initial material take-off and weight calculations and have a good start on the sourcing and pricing of materials and equipment.  We have extensive research notes on nearly all technical aspects of the project.  We are in need of about $300,000 grant with which to produce our working drawings, sourcing and pricing and submission to and seek approval by regulatory agencies.   Please take a look at the Youtube videos and visit our website, then send me an email as to how you can help.  Please pass this email letter on to everyone who can help us with the funding.

Sincerely yours,

Jim Miller, President
Mutual Aid Society of America, Inc.
jimmiller5417@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks,</p>
<p>EPA states and asks:<br />
“Excess nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorous entering the nations waters create pollution that is hard to track, contain, and control. Nutrient pollution is as damaging to our waters as it is complex, so finding effective ways to address it is critical. EPA and State agencies have used various approaches to tackle the problem but much more is needed to protect water bodies from these pollutants.<br />
•    What critical elements need to be included in an effective nutrient strategy?<br />
•    How should the strategies differ for protecting healthy and functioning watersheds versus those that need to be significantly restored due to previous pollution?<br />
•    What has worked for your organization, state, or tribe in controlling nutrient pollution? What hasn’t?”<br />
Response:<br />
The great mid-American River system is the cesspool for thousands of cities, industries and farms.  Many of the pollutants include soils which have been “washed” with industrial agricultural chemicals (non-point pollution) which when the soil is eroded, move to the rivers.  These pollutants then grow algae and other micro-organisms, some of which create dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico.</p>
<p>Fortunately, carp (and other critters) feed on these micro-organisms, thus reducing some of the pollution.  However, the native fish population pays the price because of the disruption of their food chain.  Studies now estimate that Asian carp (mostly Bighead and Silver) make up 95% of the fish biomass in most of these rivers.  The Asian carp population has exploded over the past few years and now threaten the seven billion dollar fishing industry of the Great Lakes.  See:  Asian Carps of the Genus Hypophthalmichthys (Pisces, Cyprinidae) ? A Biological Synopsis and Environmental Risk Assessment; <a href="http://www.fws.gov/contaminants/OtherDocuments/ACBSRAFinalReport2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fws.gov/contaminants/OtherDocuments/ACBSRAFinalReport2005.pdf</a> ; Also see the Youtube documentaries: Part 1: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7zkTnQVaM&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=DB08107B501DF1D8&#038;playnext=1&#038;playnext_from=PL&#038;index=47" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7zkTnQVaM&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=DB08107B501DF1D8&#038;playnext=1&#038;playnext_from=PL&#038;index=47</a>; Part 2: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChwJiKKBdA&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=DB08107B501DF1D8&#038;playnext=1&#038;playnext_from=PL&#038;index=48" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChwJiKKBdA&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=DB08107B501DF1D8&#038;playnext=1&#038;playnext_from=PL&#038;index=48</a> </p>
<p>Would a compromise work?  First by reducing the Asian carp population by removing the breeders and secondly, by managing the carp population so as to allow native fish to recover.  That way we allow the Asian carp to continue cleaning nutrients from the rivers and re-establish the native fish.  It seems highly improbable to totally remove all Asian carp.  There are additional benefits, namely the beneficial use of the harvested carp.</p>
<p>The ACBSR final report concluded that the physical removal of the carp was the best working solution.  Mention was made of training vast numbers of fisher folk on how to catch carp.  Bait and hook does not work since the carp are filter feeders.  Only purse (or hoop) nets seem to work for skiff quantities.  What is needed is a commercial approach to harvesting carp.</p>
<p>Carp Catchers Cooperative has such a plan (on digital record).  See: Carp Catchers Co-op, <a href="http://carpcatchersco-op.wetpaint.com/page/BUSINESS+PLAN+--+A+BRIDGE+OVER+TROUBLED+WATERS" rel="nofollow">http://carpcatchersco-op.wetpaint.com/page/BUSINESS+PLAN+&#8211;+A+BRIDGE+OVER+TROUBLED+WATERS</a></p>
<p>Carp Catchers Cooperative will be formed as a social entrepreneurial enterprise (L3C – Limited Liability Company), will build a fleet of three ships which will be able to harvest and process two tons of fish per hour.  Currently, we have completed our initial material take-off and weight calculations and have a good start on the sourcing and pricing of materials and equipment.  We have extensive research notes on nearly all technical aspects of the project.  We are in need of about $300,000 grant with which to produce our working drawings, sourcing and pricing and submission to and seek approval by regulatory agencies.   Please take a look at the Youtube videos and visit our website, then send me an email as to how you can help.  Please pass this email letter on to everyone who can help us with the funding.</p>
<p>Sincerely yours,</p>
<p>Jim Miller, President<br />
Mutual Aid Society of America, Inc.<br />
<a href="mailto:jimmiller5417@yahoo.com">jimmiller5417@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just accept our new overlords:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-for-one-welcome-our-new-Asian-Carp-overlords/274143201165</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just accept our new overlords:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-for-one-welcome-our-new-Asian-Carp-overlords/274143201165" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-for-one-welcome-our-new-Asian-Carp-overlords/274143201165</a></p>
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		<title>By: chicagoharbormaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicagoharbormaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What we want to try to do is keep the Asian carp out, and we believe that closing the canals and the locks is the first thing to do. Then we can address how to continue to operate barge traffic and recreation and other things. The concern is that the eDNA sampling results show that it may be too late. It’s important that we act and we act now, and we act decisively.&quot;    

Well, if you close the lock and river there won&#039;t be any barge or water traffic so addressing it after the fact is no a rational choice.   EDNA results show nothing!  It only shows there is edna there.  It does not show how it got there or how many fish.  One fish or two fish do not make a population.   If you guys were really concerned with Asian Carp why don&#039; t I hear anybody taking any action to figure out if there are still Asian Carp in lake Erie.   They caught Asian Carp in Lake Erie.   No testing has been done there.  There could be edna everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What we want to try to do is keep the Asian carp out, and we believe that closing the canals and the locks is the first thing to do. Then we can address how to continue to operate barge traffic and recreation and other things. The concern is that the eDNA sampling results show that it may be too late. It’s important that we act and we act now, and we act decisively.&#8221;    </p>
<p>Well, if you close the lock and river there won&#8217;t be any barge or water traffic so addressing it after the fact is no a rational choice.   EDNA results show nothing!  It only shows there is edna there.  It does not show how it got there or how many fish.  One fish or two fish do not make a population.   If you guys were really concerned with Asian Carp why don&#8217; t I hear anybody taking any action to figure out if there are still Asian Carp in lake Erie.   They caught Asian Carp in Lake Erie.   No testing has been done there.  There could be edna everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Schornack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Schornack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The electrical barriers have not inspired public confidence in stopping the carp.  Physical, not electrical barriers are needed.

Kudos to Congressman Camp, AG Cox and the entire MI Congressional delegation for its refreshing display of unity in the face of this threat.

The Michigan Recreation and Park Association is vitally supportive of stopping the invasion of the Asian Carp.  Swimming, fishing and boating are key recreation activities that would be seriously harmed if the carp get into the Great Lakes, tributary rivers and inland lakes.  The quality of life in the basin depends on preventing the carp from invading the Great Lakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The electrical barriers have not inspired public confidence in stopping the carp.  Physical, not electrical barriers are needed.</p>
<p>Kudos to Congressman Camp, AG Cox and the entire MI Congressional delegation for its refreshing display of unity in the face of this threat.</p>
<p>The Michigan Recreation and Park Association is vitally supportive of stopping the invasion of the Asian Carp.  Swimming, fishing and boating are key recreation activities that would be seriously harmed if the carp get into the Great Lakes, tributary rivers and inland lakes.  The quality of life in the basin depends on preventing the carp from invading the Great Lakes.</p>
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